It was also in 1977, at a Lutheran church social, that Mr. Clark met his future wife. Photographs of Mr. Agree. In my 75 years of life, every overly religious person I have met, with a few exceptions, eventually show that they betray those around them in some form. Authorities said that he had been living a quiet life--active in his church, puttering in his yard on weekends--and that he had no problems with the law while a Dr. Sheldon Miller, who examined List after his arrest last year, described him Friday as a man who had already been hit by the loss of his job and then learned that his Another way of characterising them might be to state that he was sick of his mad wife (who some sources say was a public embarrassment to him by getting publicaly drunk and remarking on his lack of sexual prowess, etc), was indifferent to the children, had embezzled the mothers money and needed to off her, was losing the house, and had no job. He thought it improper in the eyes of God. He told Steve Reed, a vice president of the agency, Richmond Placements Inc., that he wanted to live and work in a more vibrant economy. On Nov. 9, 1971, after sending his children off to school, List took his two handguns out to the car to load them, then walked into the kitchen and shot his wife from behind as she was drinking coffee. Mrs. Clark's job at a warehouse at the Fitzsimmons Army Medical Center did not pay enough to support the two of them, and they began to fall behind on their mortgage payments. Even now a chill runs through James Moran, Westfields retired police chief, when he recalls the scene in the sparsely furnished, 18-room mansion List had bought for $50,000 in 1966, using money from an inheritance. If you see your family in heaven, what do you think they will say to you? Chung asks List. Finally, with the prospect of foreclosure threatening to expose his financial failure, List made his terrible decision to kill his family but not himself. What a sorry attempt at humor using President Trump at the end. He was a religious man. After gruesomely murdering his entire family, John List had begun living a normal life again. ''I have been depressed over all this,'' Mrs. Clark wrote. He says today he felt he was letting the family down. The article had a sketch of how List might look now, and it was a dead ringer for Bob. Delores Hall is an American stage and television actress who made her Broadway debut as a replacement in the ensemble of Hair. We became friends, you might say.. He married Helen and raised three children with her, while working as an accountant in many places, such as New York and New Jersey. Then he apparently did some errands while waiting all day long for the children to come home. Asked what Mr. Clark did like, the friend said, ''Baseball, The National Geographic, Walter Cronkite and documentaries. ''I was afraid, just in case he was the same man,'' she said. I guess I was thinking, well Ive started, now Ive got to finish it.. WebOK, I am seeing: Delores Clark (Miller), married 1985- I was thinking of editing in "2008 (his death)" but don't know if I'd be getting into privacy issues. The balding bookkeeper, arrested by FBI agents on June 1, claims to be Robert P. Clark, a former resident of Denver who moved to the Richmond area 18 months ago. He died in the prison hospital at the age of 82, in 2008. His dad used to go to the ball games. He joined the Army in World War II and later attended the University of Michigan. He now says he was too ashamed to tell his wife, Helen, that hed lost his job and would go to the train station each morning, pretending to be at work. For example, he would generally eat his lunch in his orange Volkswagen in the parking lot, with its windows rolled up and classical music playing on the radio. Starting in 1968 and through at least the summer of 1969 she was an original member of the Los Angeles production of Hair. Mr. Clark moved to Richmond in February 1988. Mr. Wetmore helped Mr. Clark move ''one pickup truck's worth load of stuff'' to Denver. Clark moved in with Miller in November, 1985. Its people who in every single act of malfeasance, twist religion to some self-serving end. The general manager of the wholesaler, Jim Roberto, confirmed that Mr. Clark had worked for him from 1977 to 1979. After finding an old 9 mm pistol he had bought as a souvenir of World War II, and a .22-caliber target pistol, he purchased new ammunition and went to a shooting range for target practice. Where was John from? Mr. Oldson said he did not remember Mr. Clark's having references. He waited until his wife and children arrivedhome one by one,crept up and shot them in the head at close range, and dragged their bodies into the ballroom. If things had gone on who knows if that would be the case," he wrote. ''If he goes into a McDonald's for a hamburger, the man is going to bow his head and say grace to his God,'' the friend said. But pointing out that someone has had multiple bankruptcies is a statement of fact, not an insult. After cashing in his mothers savings bonds and pocketing the money, heskipped town. By killing his family, he hoped to spare them shame, save their souls, and guarantee they could all spend the afterlife together. The pastor, the Rev. Its first entry is R. C. Miller, a business he said was in Wheatridge, Colo., a suburb north of Denver. John had a very normal childhood and he did not show any signs of psychological troubles. Obituary for Bro. It's a good question (subject to If he wanted out, why did not he disappear without murdering them. About a year ago, he and Mrs. Clark made a $12,000 down payment on a $76,000 slate-blue single-story three-bedroom house in the planned community of Brandermill, in the southwestern suburb of Midlothian. . In the afternoon, he killed his children as they came home first his daughter Patty, a budding actress at 16; then his youngest, 13-year-old Frederic; and finally 15-year-old John, his namesake and his favorite. He lined the bodies up on the floor, put music on through the houses intercom system and wrote a confession to his pastor. He took a new wife, to whom he lied about his age and personal history. Mrs. Flanery was among the millions of people watching. If you purchase a product or register for an account through one of the links on our site, we may receive compensation. He spent his days at the train Taking a Course and Doing Tax. One night after dinner, he even asked his family what should be done with their bodies after they died. Abcarian: Mask mandates? Following his high school graduation, he enlisted into the American military and worked as a lab technician. Rebecca Everett may be reached at reverett@njadvancemedia.com. If anyone knows what yearBreeze Knoll was built, please advise. I agree he wanted a fresh start. Marion Delores Clark Miller was born to Paul and Ada(Tuttle)Clark on September 25, 1937 in Moody County, South Dakota, where she was raised on several He did not mention his wife, his mother, or his children. John was a strict Lutheran and hence, when he came to know about Helens pregnancy, he right away proposed to her for marriage. Not to this horrific extent but nevertheless in some way that makes me uncomfortable to be around these type of people. Mr. He recollected that Mr. Clark wore ''things that didn't match'' and seemed to have been ''living hand to mouth, doing bookkeeping work. His story was made into a hit TV movie starring And youre obviously a lib. Authorities walk John List to a plane in Richmond, Virginia in 1989 before transporting him to New Jersey to stand trial.Steve Helber/AP. ( I think he did remarry while on the run)? List in a supermarket tabloid. Moran said the first two killings occurred sometime in the morning. A 2005 Freddie Mac-Roper poll also flagged by the FDIC concluded that more than 6 in 10 homeowners delinquent in their mortgage payments are not aware of services that mortgage lenders can offer to individuals having trouble with their mortgage., Hardly atypical. Mr. Clark spent long days in his own small office, unadorned by decorations or memorabilia, but with classical music playing softly on a radio. On June 19, 1975, Mr. Clark joined St. Paul's Lutheran Church in Denver. To the right of the Chinese red front door is an Amish plaque inscribed, ''Bless This House.'' ''He did everything by hand,'' the executive said. Occasionally the digitization process introduces transcription errors or other problems; we are continuing to work to improve these archived versions. Tonights interview marks Chungs last appearance for ABC before she heads for CNN. . I have all the books written on this case but can only put my hands on the one written by Joe Sharkey an excellent read btw! Mr. Reed put Mr. Clark in touch with Charles S. Joyner, one of the two partners in the accounting firm of Maddrea, Joyner, Kirkham & Woody in Richmond. He was 82 years old at the time of his demise. Mrs. Flanery did not call the police, however. You may occasionally receive promotional content from the Los Angeles Times. List died at St. Francis Medical Center in Trenton four days after being taken there from the New Jersey State Prison, officials told The Associated Press. In 1989, Fox network broadcasted a TV show titled Americas Most Wanted, where an episode featured the New Jersey mass murders of John by his family. Reporters Rebecca Everett and Jessica Remo explore the impact of the capture, meeting people in Virginia who saw List unmasked and tracking down Lists second wife one side of the infamous story thats never been told. They got married in December 1951. John was convicted of five counts of first degree murder in April 1990 and was imprisoned with five terms of consecutive life imprisonment. . Mrs. Clark also has relatives nearby, in Maryland. We found his mother up in her third-floor apartment. According to a letter List leftin the house along with the five bodies, heturned to homicidein part to preventthe embarrassment that losing the homewould cause his family. As always, a great & engaging read. She and his wife were still in their bedclothes. List caught the tail end of the show with his wife, who did not know his past. He also found and read a rambling, five-page confession List had written to his pastor in Westfield. And it came from a family member of all people. '', At a news conference yesterday in Richmond, Mrs. Clark said that her husband had told her, too, that his former wife ''was a very sick, sickly lady.'' ''I knew it was Bob,'' she said. List, an accountant, insurance salesman, former bank vice president and Sunday school teacher, disappeared in November 1971. John List would be 97 years old if he was alive today. At the time, said Robert Wetmore, a 72-year-old retired ranch hand, Clark was working at the Holiday Inn in Golden, just west of Denver. The Undoing 'Most Wanted,' A Favorite Program. He was a man who would never, ever stand out in a crowd, said Carole Burton, manager of the east Denver apartment complex where Clark lived from September, 1978, until November, 1985. His father was a devout Lutheran who also taught at a local Sunday School in Bay City. Mr. Clark gave his age as 57. I believe it was 1895 or possibly 96. Use of and/or registration on any portion of this site constitutes acceptance of our User Agreement, Privacy Policy and Cookie Statement, and Your Privacy Choices and Rights (each updated 1/26/2023). He then shot both his wife and mother in their heads. He lost the bank job, and a succession of subsequent jobs. He took a new identity and also joined a Lutheran church, where he met his second wife, Delores Miller. "I don't know whether it was only because he was still jerking that I wanted to make sure that he didn't suffer, or that it was sort of a way of relieving tension, after having completed what I felt was my assignment for the day," List said. Wetmore said Clark then lived in a ramshackle trailer park on the outskirts of Golden. Its not a good read.full of his BS and tons of grammatical errors and misspellings. John was arrested and extradited to New Jersey. She had married in her 30s, and John was her only child. He was a graduate of the University of Michigan. It may be more than coincidence that Miller is the former name of Mr. Clark's wife, Delores, and R. C. are Mr. Clark's initials. The family attendedthe Redeemer Lutheran Church, where John taught Sunday school. Mr. '', Mr. Clark is deeply religious and law-abiding. He didnt have much stuff then, but later, when I helped him move again, he had begun to acquire more possessions.. Then he sat down and wrote a confession letter to his pastor explaining his financial problems. Bob didnt talk much about his past, Wetmore said. Way roomy. If List simply admitted to his family and creditorsand the IRS thathe was in crisis, a solutionthat didnt involvehomicideand pseudonymscould have beenhammered out. Butin a pre-Antiques Roadshowworld, he didntthink to get an appraisal and try to sellthe glass if it really existed, that is. Zealotry is a pejorative term: zealots, as fanatics, are necessarily bad. I was in despair, List says. That was not a lie. List, including an old picture and a bust created by sculptor in Philadelphia, Frank A. Bender, that showed how Mr. Johnand Helen List, both 46, lived with their three teenage children and Johns mother, Alma, in acavernous home in the affluentUnion County town. The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Ron Gillette: An Air Force Man Who Didnt Exactly Aim High. He means it. Wertheimergave him life without parole. The good news is, they *are* all in Heaven no doubt. Im convinced hes just pulling my chain, Gluck recalled. He took the name Robert Clark, eventually got an accounting job, and remarried. As of 2018, Peggy, Dolores, and Connie are still alive. When Fox Broadcasting Co. aired his case last month on its Americas Most Wanted television show, more than 200 tipsters called to say they thought they recognized the former mamas boy from Bay City, Mich. Attorney David Baugh, who represented List in Virginia, offers support.AP Photo/Steve Helber. He was working the night shift and I cleaned the kitchen. His sixteen years old daughter and 13 years old son returned from the school at noon. List assumed the name Robert P. Clark, eventually marrying a woman named Delores Miller on Nov. 23, 1985 on the 14-year anniversary of the day he had shot his wife. When they found him, John Jr. had been shot nine times.. They remember him as a quiet, kind, intensely private man who worked first as a cook, later as a bookkeeper, for small, obscure companies. At a church singles party in 1977, Clark met Delores Miller, a 40-year-old divorcee. Out of the marriage that he despised, out of the family responsibility, out to a new life. Westfield police did not discover the bodies until nearly a month later. In addition to the financial distress, his eldest daughter wanted to become an actress, which was not acceptable by John owing to his Conservative upbringing. Human name disambiguation pages. Flanery received two letters from Delores Clark after she moved away. Spouse/Ex-: Delores Miller Clark (m. 19851989), Helen List (m. 19511971), children: Frederick List, John, Jr. Superior Court Judge William LE. And he yelled, 'Put that thing down before your eyeball falls out.' Pieced together, they form a portrait of a man with a talent for deflecting attention, a quiet person who led a simple life of work, gardening, television and the Lutheran church. He has also appeared on television shows such as Your Worst Nightmare and American Justice. Occasionally, Mr. Clark and Mr. Stefano played a board game on a battle theme, and Mr. Clark ''always took the German army,'' Mr. Stefano said. He was born as the only child in the highly religious German-American household. TimesMachine is an exclusive benefit for home delivery and digital subscribers. For all I knew, Delores was in danger. Eventually, he took a decently paying job with a paper company at Kalamazoo, Michigan, and settled there with his family. He simply killed them to eliminate the problem and his own stress. As of 2018, Peggy, Dolores, and Connie are still alive. "I knew it was wrong. He usually chose large apartment complexes where it was easy to remain anonymous. He then called his childrens school to grant them leave to visit their grandmother in South Carolina. Thats all for this post. If List thought he could just hit the delete button on the fam and waltz off *and* find redemption he may be bitterly disappointed when he finds his advocate was busy for his final court appearance and hes going to have to act as his own defense. After her husbands arrest, Delores Clark told the FBI she couldnt believe he was a murderer. That he appeared functional, maintaining a relationship and holding a job down, doesnt change this. He ''spoke slowly, softly and almost under his breath.''. In interviews in the last week, many new details have emerged about Mr. Clark's life over the last 20 years in Colorado and Virginia. It was 4 years ago, I believe now youll be cheering people that threaten death on The CIC and his supporters. John and I were classmates and were on the same baseball team. Do Not Sell or Share My Personal Information. Community Rules apply to all content you upload or otherwise submit to this site. The bodies of the wife and children were on sleeping bags in the ballroom, off the kitchen. Obituaries can vary in the amount of information they contain, but many of them are genealogical goldmines, including information such as: names, dates, place of birth and death, marriage information, and family relationships. WebDelores Hall - Biography. (Although largely irrelevant to this blog, I regard the US media as overwhelmingly anti-Trump, simply unable to acknowledge that he achieved anything positive, which he certainly, objectively, did. I dont buy the pious excuses in Lists confession letter at face value. In an interview, he stated that he did not kill himself because suicide prevents one from going to heaven. Returning home, he made several calls to explain that the family had gone to North Carolina to visit his wife's ailing mother, and that he was planning to follow by car. List, now 76, is serving five consecutive life sentences for the murders and was interviewed from prison. Bob didnt have a car at the time so I helped him move out of the trailer park into an apartment a few blocks east of the motel, he said. Host John Walsh, whose own son had been a murder victim, asked viewers to call in tips. A couple of years ago I bought a supermarket tabloid that contained an article on the List murder case, she said. It was Mr. Clark took with him no furniture or personal possessions other than boxes of tax materials, a neighbor said. She never showed the photo to Mr. Clark. Although he sincerely believed in heaven and that his dead family would be saved, his own survival is proof of false consciousness. List would also be 63 years old now. That was the only time I ever saw Bob show any anger.. Dr. Steven Simring, a psychiatrist who examined List after his arrest years later, told Downtown his "sense of neatness" was the result of a compulsive personality. He was behind by $11,000on the houseand had been secretly dipping into his mothers accounts. Born in an extremely strict Lutheran family, John was raised as a single child. John Emil List was born 63 years ago in Bay City, Mich., the son of a wealthy German immigrant grocer who had married, for the second time, late in life. The resume Mr. Clark used to find a job in Richmond begins in 1972. At a church singles party in 1977, Clark met Delores I dont think you can generalise that extremely religious people generally betray family/friends/colleagues by any means, but of their nature they may make many feel uncomfortable. Just as the kids entered from the main door, he shot both of them in the heads as well. She was preceded in death by her husband, Raymond; sons, Larry, Jim granddaughter, Gayle Ballow; siblings, Joyce Clark & Mildred Miller. Clark was picked up 11 days after the Most Wanted broadcast dramatized the ballroom murders. His middle son, John Jr. who was also his favorite suffered the most brutal death. The bodies of Lists 85-year-old mother, Alma, his wife, Helen, 45, and their children, Patricia, 16, John Jr., 15, and Frederick, 13, were not discovered until the evening of Dec. 7, 1971. In 1965, when List and his family moved to affluent Westfield, N.J., he seemed to be a model of suburban success and propriety. His anxiety grew with his inability to keep up withmortgage payments and other bills. He insinuated that it had been a bad experience.''. At a church singles party in 1977, Clark met Delores Miller, a 40-year-old divorcee. Its not much of a swipe if its true and it IS true that Mr Ts businesses declared bankruptcy a number of times (not him personally). And like Judas I gave her a kiss . He said he found Mr. Clark ''a little strange.'' John List (murderer) (19252008), American mass murderer. He wanted OUT. He was 82. However, he was a loner who was not socially active and had very few friends in school and his locality. His wife wasnt a good mother. Asked to check Mr. Clark's resume in their files, the executives found that it was gone. . ''I don't know John List. The company makes folding boxes for supermarkets. John packed off his children to school and loaded both of his handguns. 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