ChurchLeaders has reported extensively on MacDonald and Harvest, which began experiencing unrest back in 2013. . Six people who I doubt wherever actually all in the same room. We got to pray. Its so interesting. Visconti wins the Internet! The Roys Report is a Christian media outlet, reporting the unvarnished truth about what's happening in the Christian community so the church can be reformed and restored. But by the time we were done that night, the decision that night was two things. Sandy talked about over the years, other staff members coming to her after meeting with James McDonald in tears, just crushed. And that would have been right before you came back on the board. Now, now James is saying, oh, Mancow edited this to say something that it really didnt say. This was months months later. But somewhere around 2008-10 his preaching changed a bit. And I remember a comment being made. So at the end of the night, no one got the letters. Ministry News. But it was dark. So if you cant say anything, I mean, again, hes dismissive of the actual letters. We turned out to have six witnesses who wrote 28 pages with innumerable charges. And I remember reading through that scripture and reading through Hebrews 13:17, about elders overseeing and giving an account, and Galatians 1:10 about am I trying to please man, am I trying to please God? According to his email, MacDonald has been able to hire a small staff and encouraged people to sign up for his Home Church Networkvideo messages for people to use in a home church. 28 Feb 2023 13:40:27 What Happens Now? And we talk about that Scripture and quote it over and over again. He knows! Can you say what was in that letter? That this was all a plot by him that he was vengeful, towards James McDonald. According to The Elephant's Debt (TED), a blog critical of MacDonald that launched in the summer of 2012, MacDonald was then taking a salary over $500,000, and living on a $1.9 million estate. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. He has always been a total its all about me. I have them up at my website if you want to see those. Maybe if the shoe was on the other foot and the men were the ones being abused we might hear them singing a different tune. And we had consensus from everybody in the room that James McDonald was not qualified to as an elder and that his employment at Harvest Bible Chapel was over. And they are even beloved by God. But I think my kat has watched too much Kenneth Copeland. A strong woman with a stronger husband will become an unstoppable, gracious, and capable woman. Only Gods opinion is what counts. That was positioned as an attack from the start. I dont understand how folks in a church can continue to contribute to the church knowing that a significant portion of their contributions have gone / are going to line someones pocket in this dispute. I mean, even though at this point, your eyes have been opened. And I was muted on my phone. But, at whatever time it was, you know, midnight in India or something sitting in the lobby, I sent an email, put my name on it, heres my statement. It didnt sit right with me when I heard about it, that the church was suing you, and the Mahoneys, and the Bryants. In June, he posted a picture with 2022 GOP gubernatorial nominee Kari Lake. The elder board of Harvest Bible Chapel formally apologized to independent journalist Julie Roys and several former members, months after joining founder James MacDonald in a defamation lawsuit accusing them of publishing false information about the church's management and finances last fall. The senior pastor at my church moved into town in 2014, and bought a home in proximity to the church for $260,000. And and that would be my word to James McDonald. This was a many time thing. We had a group of Pastors who interviewed him and he gave us free tickets to his Straight Up conference. One, its impossible, and were gonna get killed, were gonna get slaughtered on that. I remember sitting on my couch waiting to press the button to publish it. Its not being nice, polite, or inoffensive. And this was a spiritual battle. James MacDonald (born October 4, 1960) is a Canadian-born evangelical Christian pastor, television evangelist, and author. The Roys Report has over 78 articles dedicated to MacDonald and/or HBC, many of which were written by Roys. And I want to help people lead the church well. But its a story that needs to be toldand rememberedgiven that MacDonald is trying to relaunch his ministry in Chicago. But by the middle of day, right, we were talking about how we were clearly going to have to have an elder board meeting that night. . Pastor James MacDonald. And all of the elders should resign and repent for what they did. Malachi 2:16 has been harmfully interpreted & practiced based on twisted translations, Malachi 2 clearly talks about husbands dealing treacherously w their wives these husbands are the ones who hate and divorce 16 The man who hates and divorces his wife, says the Lord, the God of Israel, does violence to the one he should protect, says the Lord Almighty. But would he have been able to save face do you think? Ill tell you on that Saturday, there were, we took a break, because it was a long meeting. And I stopped my car. So thats why I think its so important to get the truth out there and to just keep speaking the truth. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. She gave it to me to get to the elders. Am I characterizing that correctly? We see this is the third article this month youve found worth reading. So Rick was in the meeting, as were others, and they were defending saying the elders should not have the letters. Prominent evangelical scholar, author, and missiologist, Ed Stetzer, is leaving his position as executive director of Wheaton Colleges The Billy Graham Center, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation, An Arizona megachurch has hired Landon MacDonald as a lead pastor, despite allegations MacDonald bullied and abused those in his care while. And then immediately after I felt that relief, I thought of Betsy Corning. It basically says Jesus is as real as Santa Claus. How about it James McDonald and John MacArthur (and the like), how about it? And why do you do it in front of everybody? when men make the final decision in the marriage, even if they consult with their wife first, chances of divorce increases 7.4 times . But I knew I needed to do it. And my wife, my wife and I looking at each other and going are we really doing this? Do you expect ANYONE to say yes to your question. On February 13, the elders announced James MacDonald had been fired . So they have no idea what they really these, the elder board was large and had no idea really who James MacDonald was, am I right? Why did you think it was important to own not just who James McDonald was, and not just point the finger at him. I dont know how the person who gave them to me got them. He was like he started appealing the process. And you know, Rick Donald was one of the people. No, it wasnt edited. And there were meetings on Wednesday, where James McDonald was informed of the decision of the elder board. Mine havent offered any blessings, but at least they havent eaten my extremities while I sleep. The picture with deceiver Kari Lake speaks volumes! So I mean, again, this was round. Those are simply other examples of posts about controversial issues. The Asbury Revival Is Over. So then James McDonald flies in, right? And I hope I hope that a lot of people have read that and they dont owe me anything, but I hope its been healing to them. Because your article seemed to conflate all these things. That would be my word to Ron Duitsman. Judson is located on a beautiful 90 acre campus just 36 miles northwest of Chicago. Send your questions about the Bible, ministry, or personal matters below. Charles, Good to be here. At the end of that weekend, before James MacDonald got fired in February 2019. For narcissists, attracting attention is the point. Because when you report on this for months, you feel the pain of the people that are involved. To donate, click here. Maybe not as profoundly as somebody whod been involved so long, but it was powerful. Like this had been a months long drawn out battle. I believe the board was deceived by Satan. Prominent evangelical scholar, author, and missiologist, Ed Stetzer, is leaving his position as executive director of Wheaton Colleges The Billy Graham Center to become dean, Despite being disqualified from public ministry by his former megachurch for a pattern of sinful behavior, James MacDonald is preaching at Generation Churchan Association of, An Arizona megachurch has hired Landon MacDonald as a lead pastor, despite allegations MacDonald bullied and abused those in his care while pastoring at Harvest, It has been said, Show me a persons checkbook and I can tell you what he cares about. Social Action, 1964 James MacDonald, the, Christian actor Kirk Cameron on Monday featured disgraced pastor James MacDonald as a guest on Camerons TBN Takeaways program on biblical illiteracy. MacDonald was fired, Mark DeMoss, a man described by Christianity Today as Evangelicalisms PR Guru and a former Liberty University trustee, is apparently spending time with two men, Its been more than two years since Harvest Bible Chapel fired James MacDonald for engaging in conduct . How come its always wives submit to your husbands and never husbands love your wives? None of those charges were looked into. And we were at an absolute stalemate. Because if he resigns, he gets up in front of the church, gets to spin things, and, you know, can probably relaunch somewhere else. And scripture is really clear that its got to be, you know, two or three witnesses. But over there, you know, I, you know, six, seven people who had read the letters, probably more than that by the time, and we talked about what was in the letters. It was in the very, very early days of its launch. But like you do what that says and the people responded as you hope Christians do. Thats about my attitude lately. And then out of the blue, I get slapped with a lawsuit from James McDonald before I published anything. And in those letters like Jacob Ross, who was the bodyguard of James McDonald. (We're a church of around 4,000 members & regular attenders.) Great! Thank you for loving the Church and the Lord God Almighty, to take the hard but righteous way rather than the hard way. If not, youre probably looking at what Paul latter in the chapter describes as an immature child. Thats what meeting and when youre in a conference called and youre making a decision like that, every elder everybody on the meeting on the call had to make right had the voice be asked any question you have. Not all the elders had physical copies of the letters at that point. And I did it. Jacob Ross, all the credit card that James used for personal expenses. And I was just, it was entertaining, you know, on one level, but on the other level, just absolutely tragic. A man of God who just wanted to take a vacation with his family, has the right to use church money which is his only source of income. So lets move on to these letters. Ugh. And I knew that I needed to do something publicly. I just thought, yeah. Had they reached all the elders at this point? If you wind back and in in elder meetings, I remember it being said by several several people, years before, if people start arguing the process, you know, you have them right up there arguing in the process. So grateful to be healthy and happy in the Lord to where I can finally wade into the filth from JuLIE Roys. And marital and sexual satisfaction plummet., We are meant to set aside power and authority and serve one another (Matthew 20:25-28) as we are partnered together (Ecclesiastes 4:9-12), Gregoire added. Well, you know, we laugh about it. And I actually requested the letter from Sandy, because Sandy had shared some things with us about what she had seen. But I had all I had all the letters by that point. It was a heated discussion about letters and who should have the letters who should read the letters, etc., that night. Literally more than two dozen people. And I just felt this incredible weight. I wrote back to her, and I apologized to her. His sermons changed from adoration of the text to little postcard messages. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. Whether he was going to resign or have an opportunity to resign or, you know, terminate his employment was to be determined at that point. In October, Harvest along with lead pastor James MacDonald filed a defamation lawsuit against the author of the World article, Julie Roys, for "asserting false allegations" during her eight . My strength is dried up, as by the heat of summer. Get new articles and breaking news delivered to your inbox. I need to repent. Your tax-deductible gift helps our journalists report the truth and hold Christian leaders and organizations accountable. And while youre at it, Id really appreciate it if youd help us spread the word about the podcast by leaving a review. Ill write a statement. Im not positive on that. And his email says, it seems we are being targeted. There was just an absolute refusal to rebuke him publicly. But according to a recent email by MacDonald, he's a victim of defamation by an "envious child"and needs your money "to rebuild." "Tragically . And then he apologized. I certainly am no Bible scholar. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Guard your heart and keep it diligentlyfor from it flows the content of your life. And I know its cost you personally. I wish Id never done it. I knew that I wasnt going to win any arguments in the room. How do spot a safe pastorand can. It was one of the big red flags to me, or I guess it was a yellow flag could have been a red flag, I wouldnt have done it. What really caused Harvest Bible Chapel to fire James MacDonald? 2. We STILL confuse sex and gender, which leads to conflating a lot of issues when discussing this. While we were doing that, I was in my office at home. Its a reference to sex magik and the leaders have given a hat tip to their god right in the church name. Also, if youre in the market for a car, I encourage you to check out my friends at Marquardt of Barrington. It was so much easier to read and understand. Great! Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. Give a gift of $30 or more to The Roys Report this month, and you will receive a copy of Escaping the Maze of Spiritual Abuse by Dr. Lisa Oakley and Justin Humphreys. However, there were a number of people in the room who did know him and knew him well. Yeah. We knew I needed to do it. She was a late comer to those of us who had been exposing MacD for a long time. Then pray for all of us. Why is it important to you to let people know what really happened? However, MacDonald texted me an invitation to appear with him in a public forum to answer for the many many lies Ive reportedly written about him. And her being in my house and literally shaking as shes recounting. I had asked one of the one of the people on the reconciliation team earlier that day, I said, Im going to go into a meeting with James McDonald and I need I need to have the letters I need to know. And thats got to be a heavy. Search my early tweet history. Well, because Scripture says you do it in front of everybody. So this is going to be a fascinating podcast. Well, youre welcome. There were voices raised. They discuss the role of journalism as it relates to local churches and prominent leaders, and her her current work investigating Harvest Bible Chapel and Pastor James MacDonald. Had it not been for that recording, I mean, what do you think? Divorce sadly acknowledges the truth. And he conspired with these staff to bring these letters because they all just were out to get James. It was a large elder board. And I just asked the Holy Spirit to show me You have to show me You have to show me whats going on. And I read all these verses, and we were talking about it. And there was just this push against a public rebuke. This is a story that directly contradicts what MacDonald published in recent videos and statements on his webpage. So you werent part of the lawsuit. Theres a number of narratives out there right now about how these letters came to the elder board. James McDonald recently did a video with Ron Duitsman, as you said, former chairman of the elder board, where he claims this was all part of a campaign by Dallas Jenkins, whos a former executive leadership team member at Harvest. So he was fired. Dan resigned from the Harvest elder board in March 2019, calling for reform. She keeps demanding I tithe to her and she will ask god to bless me. And there was a voicemail from one of the pastors at Harvest, in a really sort of pushing for me to sign that put my name to that. Although as soon as, pretty much after Mancow aired it. How about that one? Now what we did do is there were probably I dont remember the number Julie. I think there was a group in the in the room that would have let him have the microphone that weekend. And so really appreciate that and appreciate the time at which you did that. He surrounded himself with yes men and used intimidation tactics to keep people in line. And I dont know whether it was Rick Donald, who was was talking at that point about he had the letters, and didnt think that the elders should read all of them. And you know, told her that I would get it to the motherboard. So I asked the other elders, I said, I need to repent. And it was a pretty tough meeting. And yet so many still have not and still waiting for James McDonald to do that. For more information just go to Judsonu.edu/visit. If youd like to find me online, just go to Julieroys.com. If hes fired, and its in the church is very clear on him being fired and disqualified for ministry. Christians should stop feeding these people. Julie. Ive listened to the entire recording. Its almost like he got a bit weird with elephant conference and his new ministry associations as he left the Gospel Coalition and jumped into the Prosperity group. Because it was still a time when many elders were not admitting any of the wrongs that they had done. That way youll never miss an episode. Visconti also had posts supporting far-right causes. And there was a group and we had two prayer meetings of people who had been former elders, staff people who have gone on the record with me. When I entered my UCC church-sponsored college, I figured out why. And again, youre one of the people who actually apologized for that. How do you how do you do anything with 30 people? I did not cover my iniquity. Think Ill go preach at my cat nowhe has huge ears & better discernment than those willfully cowering in the open cage of the corporate state-church. Pastor Platforming James MacDonald Says Strong Women with Weak Husbands Become 'Toxic' By Julie Roys December 22, 2022 5:39 pm CST 26 Comments Pastor Ryan Visconti of Generation Church in Mesa, Arizona, is attracting attention for his partnership with James MacDonald and provocative social media posts. Okay. And were talking about a private jet. Guest Bios Show Transcript Many times, those who have experienced spiritual abuse are retraumatized when they try to speak about whats happened. Yes, I agree. Am I right? Well, and thanks so much for listening to The Roys Report, a podcast dedicated to reporting the truth and restoring the church. Theres still one more thing I want to ask about. I remember waking up that morning. We brought up several things from the letters with James McDonald that night, and he was just dismissing everything we brought up. We dont know how much the top people at Harvest make. Thankfully, I had headphones on. And we would be loved, it would actually be a loving thing for us to do. @Cynthia Wright Love your comment. If you find yourself unaware of Whats the point of arguing the point, you know, like, okay, youre gonna say you dont remember that part. H arvest Bible Chapel and founding pastor James MacDonald have announced that they plan to drop their lawsuit against The Elephant's Debt bloggers and Julie Roys after a court today denied. Because again, that was one letter that never got published and the contents, other than what Ron Duitsman said in his recent video because he actually referenced that letter. The marriage relationship has died. Christian counselor and author, Leslie Vernick, took exception to Viscontis post. And to hear that, its still got to be pretty tough to stand up to that, or at that point where you like, now I know the truth, Im moving forward. Roys detailed evidence from former Harvest elders, employees, and members that . He would probably be wildly successful. We had to deal with it. But again, reading those letters, and it does have a different impact when you read the actual letter than someone summarizes it. Then the board announced its executive committee would be resigning over the next few months. James Macdonald is a wolf and sadly so many have been fooled by this charlatan. Rick, Donald actually had talked to me after the meeting and said, how much that meant to James. Thats right. You cant unconditionally support anybody. But it happened to me in the meeting where I raised a couple things and James McDonald is like, I dont remember that. . And and Im still feeling it and Im still hearing from people. Rick Donald said that that would make us the judge, the elders, if we had the letter. And I remember, Julie, I was in that meeting that Tuesday night. Julie can and has spoken for herself, but I must speak up against loaded questions like this. And everyone who stayed just drank the Kool-Aid. And I dont need to know. And then if you could, please share the podcast on social media so more people can hear about this great content. She wanted me to look at it. 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